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gag halfrunt
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 Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:18 am Post subject: Gig pic |
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Here's one from the fair we played a few weeks ago. It's a blurry pic, and about the only one of me that I know was taken. At least you can see the Engl rig in it's full glory.
You'll notice neither cab is mic-ed. The "pro" sound guy didn't want to mic any instruments - not even the kick. "You don't need to do that" he told us.
Yea, OK.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Gig pic |
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| gag halfrunt wrote: | Here's one from the fair we played a few weeks ago. It's a blurry pic, and about the only one of me that I know was taken. At least you can see the Engl rig in it's full glory.
You'll notice neither cab is mic-ed. The "pro" sound guy didn't want to mic any instruments - not even the kick. "You don't need to do that" he told us.
Yea, OK.
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Out doors and nothing mic'd?
Maybe he has a different method of mixing than I do.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:55 am Post subject: |
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That's the cool thing about unmiced amps: almost no mixing involved at all. Sure makes the soundguy's work easier, doesn't it? I mean, why spend your night twisting and truning all those buttons and dials when you can just kick bakc and enjoy the night, right?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| Guillote wrote: | | That's the cool thing about unmiced amps: almost no mixing involved at all. Sure makes the soundguy's work easier, doesn't it? I mean, why spend your night twisting and truning all those buttons and dials when you can just kick bakc and enjoy the night, right? |
I suppose it was done that way back in the 60s.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting.. why mic.. you have millon watt amps anyway..
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gag halfrunt
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Gibson345 wrote: | Interesting.. why mic.. you have millon watt amps anyway..
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I think that was the guys idea. Minimize his work.
Plus, nobody can complain about how bad the mix was, because THERE WAS NO MIX.
He's obviously brilliant. 
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Guillote
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Milkman wrote: | | Guillote wrote: | | That's the cool thing about unmiced amps: almost no mixing involved at all. Sure makes the soundguy's work easier, doesn't it? I mean, why spend your night twisting and truning all those buttons and dials when you can just kick bakc and enjoy the night, right? |
I suppose it was done that way back in the 60s. |
If you don't have any cool vintage instruments, a vintage sound guy is the next best thing. Right?
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gag halfrunt
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Guillote wrote: | | Milkman wrote: | | Guillote wrote: | | That's the cool thing about unmiced amps: almost no mixing involved at all. Sure makes the soundguy's work easier, doesn't it? I mean, why spend your night twisting and truning all those buttons and dials when you can just kick bakc and enjoy the night, right? |
I suppose it was done that way back in the 60s. |
If you don't have any cool vintage instruments, a vintage sound guy is the next best thing. Right? |
He was all about 'old school'.
Or he was just lazy. I'm not sure which one.
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Lindsay
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Hey old people are lazy too!
I'm vintage.
Pre CBS, Norlin, etc.
And I'm f'ing lazy. |
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Ziggy
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| When someone or everyone on the stage is too loud already there is really no reason to make it louder. Just put some mics up for vocals. Not saying that's what's going on here, but I understand the thinking if it is.... |
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Guillote
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Ziggy wrote: | | When someone or everyone on the stage is too loud already there is really no reason to make it louder. Just put some mics up for vocals. Not saying that's what's going on here, but I understand the thinking if it is.... |
That can often be true inside a small place. However, that's an outside gig...
Besides the FOH equipment is not only for amplification. Desn't necessarily need to make your amp much louder, but it does help the sound of the whole bad come together. That's what "mixing" is about, after all.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| Ziggy wrote: | | When someone or everyone on the stage is too loud already there is really no reason to make it louder. Just put some mics up for vocals. Not saying that's what's going on here, but I understand the thinking if it is.... |
Seems like the soundman made his decision before he could determine if anyone was too loud on stage.
Anyway, it's his job to mix. That's not possible when all you control is vocals. Even if the overall mix is too loud, it should still be balanced. You basicallymix to the loudest instrument coming off stage in a case like that, meaning whomever the culprit is, his channel is muted.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:23 am Post subject: |
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I've been in a few situations where running the amps super loud from the stage was needed. Hated it. I dont like the stage to be really loud.
I think using the PA for the whole band is the best way to go.....when that option is available.
We had a guy try out for our rock band last year, he brought a 100 watt Marshall half stack, I had my 30 watt Joyce and a distortion pedal. We talked about gigs and he said t hat he never lets any soundman mess with his tone and he insists on running loud on stage. Guess who didnt get the spot in the band. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Messing with a guy's tone and expecting him to play at a sensible level are two different animals. When it comes to tone, I may make a recommendation, but I do this less and less as time psases
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:51 am Post subject: |
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just my experience but.. "when someone or everyone on the stage is too loud already...."..
It's a train wreck waiting to happen.. and happen it will.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Gibson345 wrote: | just my experience but.. "when someone or everyone on the stage is too loud already...."..
It's a train wreck waiting to happen.. and happen it will. |
True enough, but that's a difficult call to make before the first note has been played. I think in this case the tech just did the bare minimum required and that meant no mix.
In some cases that can be ok (never great but ok), but yes, if someone is too loud and refuses to cooperate, it's a tough night for everyone.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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i've taken to playing all my songs in pantomime so a soundman is really out of the picture.
saves me strings, too.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Milkman wrote: | | Messing with a guy's tone and expecting him to play at a sensible level are two different animals. When it comes to tone, I may make a recommendation, but I do this less and less as time psases |
By 'messing with his tone' he meant going through a PA. He was quite specific. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Archer wrote: | | Milkman wrote: | | Messing with a guy's tone and expecting him to play at a sensible level are two different animals. When it comes to tone, I may make a recommendation, but I do this less and less as time psases |
By 'messing with his tone' he meant going through a PA. He was quite specific. |
Oh, so he wasn't merely a cork sniffer. He was an idiot as well.
Thanks for clarifying. I suppose he doesn't allow his guitar to be recorded for the same reason?
Wow
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| Davis wrote: | i've taken to playing all my songs in pantomime so a soundman is really out of the picture.
saves me strings, too. |
Didn't I see you play on SNL, backing up some pop tart?
Millard Vanilli?
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marcel marceauwhat. the quiet shredder.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:16 am Post subject: |
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Nice pic gag.
Very interesting on the no micing. We only do that if the drums aren't miced as well and the PA is simply used as a vocal amp. In small rooms you can get away with that. But not too often on an outdoor gig.
Every gigs an adventure in one way or another.
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gag halfrunt
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| LoudGreg wrote: | Nice pic gag.
Very interesting on the no micing. We only do that if the drums aren't miced as well and the PA is simply used as a vocal amp. In small rooms you can get away with that. But not too often on an outdoor gig.
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Thanks, Greg.
You are certainly right about the adventure part. Especially when someone else outside the band controls a vital part of your sound.
I've also never heard of a situation where you wouldn't mic everything at an outdoor gig. Crazy, really.
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